>> CATHY: AS YOU'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE SHOW, MINNESOTA'S PRIMARY ELECTION IS TUESDAY.

THE STATE'S ANNUAL FARMFEST EVENT HOSTED THE FINAL PRE-PRIMARY FORUMS WITH CANDIDATES FOR CONGRESS, GOVERNOR, AND U.S.

SENATE.

THIS WEEK SAW SEVERAL OTHER STATES HOLD THEIR PRIMARIES, WHICH INCLUDED A WIN FOR PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE ABDUL EL-SAYED IN MICHIGAN.

WHAT MIGHT THAT PORTEND FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE SIMILAR MATCH-UP IN MINNESOTA BETWEEN ANGIE CRAIG AND PEGGY FLANAGAN?

HERE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND MANY MORE, A PAIR OF POLITICAL SCIENTISTS.

DAVID SCHULTZ IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY.

HE ALSO TEACHES LAW AT ST.

THOMAS AND THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

THE U OF M IS ALSO HOME TO PROFESSOR MICHAEL MINTA, WHERE HE CHAIRS THEIR POLITICAL SCIENCE DEPARTMENT.

WELCOME, BOTH OF YOU.

PROFESSOR MINTA, I KNOW YOU GOT YOUR PhD IN MICHIGAN, AT MICHIGAN, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN MICHIGAN THIS WEEK.

WHAT'S THE MESSAGE OUT OF THAT STATE, THAT PARTICULAR RACE?

>> OWED, WOW, IT'S THE D.S.A., DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, I MEAN, IT'S A BIG VICTORY, RIGHT?

I MEAN, THEY WENT UP AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT AND THEY'VE SHOWN THAT IN A MIDWESTERN STATE IT'S NOT NEW YORK, IT'S NOT SOME LIBERAL, IT'S HERE THEY CAN WON.

AND I THINK HALEY STEVENS WHO WAS THE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE OUTSPENT EL-SAYED TEN TO ONE.

AND SO I MEAN I THINK HIS RACE SAYS THAT THAT TYPE OF CANDIDATE CAN WIN.

AND SO I THINK THE ESTABLISHMENT THERE, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS ABOUT ELECTABILITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, EL-SAYED SAID BASICALLY THEY OUTSPENT ME TEN TO ONE AND SHE STILL LOST, SO WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE ELECTABILITY?

SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GIVE A LOT OF CANDIDATES ACROSS THE NATION THAT YOU CAN RUN AND WIN ON THESE PROGRESSIVE AGENDAS.

>> Eric: ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE FEARFUL OF THIS OR EXCITED THAT THE TENT MAY BE EXPANDING?

>> A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

GENERALIZE FROM ONE STATE TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

I MEAN, THE POLLS WERE SUGGESTING HE WAS GOING TO WIN MUCH BIGGER THAN HE DID, AND SO IT WAS NARROWING.

REMEMBER, A LONG TIME AGO, THIS WAS A STATE THAT ANOTHER ANTIESTABLISHMENT ANDIDATE, JESSE JACKSON, DID EXCEEDINGLY WELL IN.

AND I THINK -- WHAT I THINK THE ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS ARE MISSING RIGHT NOW IS THE ANGER THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT THE STATUS QUO.

IS THAT I STILL COME BACK AND SAY, IT'S THE MILK, BREAD, AND EGGS ISSUE.

IS THAT PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT BASIC COST OF LIVING THINGS AND I THINK THE CHALLENGE FOR ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW IS, WHAT IS THEIR MESSAGE THAT THEY HAVE TO SORT OF SAY TO THE PEOPLE THAT, YEAH, YOU DON'T LIKE THE STATUS QUO.

BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE AS AN ALTERNATIVE?

AND SO ELECTRIFICATIONS, WHAT HE DID WAS TO SAY HE STATUS QUO IS NOT GOOD, I'VE GOT AN ALTERNATIVE MESSAGE.

>> AND THEY CAN ENERGIZE THESE YOUNGER VOTES.

HE DID REALLY WELL IN THESE COLLEGE TOWNS LIKE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, MICHIGAN STATE.

SO HE DID REALLY WELL, SO DEMOCRATS KEEP WORRYING THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEIR PROBLEMS IS GETTING PEOPLE TO GET OFF THE COUCH AND GO TO THE POLLS AND OTE AND CANDIDATES LIKE THAT, THEY BRING A LEVEL OF EXCITEMENT THAT GET -- NOW, AGAIN, YOUNGER VOTERS DIDN'T TURN OUT AS MUCH AS THEY THOUGHT, BUT STILL, IN A CLOSE ELECTION LIKE THAT PARTICULAR ELECTIONS, IT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF YOU CAN JUST BE EXCITED ABOUT YOUR CANDIDATE AND ALSO THE MESSAGE.

THEY DON'T WANT THE SAME PROMISES.

THEY WANT YOU TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT HOUSING PRICES.

HEALTHCARE.

TUITION.

>> Cathy: ARE THE SAME UNDERPINNINGS THEN IN THE RACE, THE RAIG AND FLANAGAN RACE?

>> THERE'S A LOT OF IT THERE AND I THINK THE BIG CHALLENGE ALSO, AND WHAT WE CAN'T TELL ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

FIRST, TO WHAT EXTENT DID METRO SURGE SORT OF RADICALIZE THE DEMOCRATS HERE?

BUT TWO IS THAT ESPECIALLY FLANAGAN IS COUNTING ON A LOT OF YOUNGER VOTERS TO SUPPORT HER.

THE QUESTION'S GOING TO BE, IS SHE GOING TO GET THEM TO COME OUT?

AND I DON'T KNOW.

NONE OF US REALLY KNOW AT THIS POINT.

IF SHE DOES, SHE WINS THIS ONE.

I THINK.

BUT CAN SHE GET THEM OUT?

IN HE SAME WAY IT HAPPENED IN MICHIGAN?

I JUST DON'T KNOW.

>> AND SHE'S HOPING SHE HAS BETTER ORGANIZATION TOO.

SO IT'S ABOUT WHO HAS THE BETTER GROUND GAME.

SO OBVIOUSLY ANGIE CRAIG HAS OVER THE AIR WAVES.

HOW MANY COMMERCIALS HAVE YOU SEEN?

BUTSBUT SHE'S THINKING HER GROUD OPERATION IS GOING TO BRING HER HOME.

>> Eric: ARE WE GOING TO SEE THE POWER OF A TRUMP ENDORSEMENT ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE WITH MIKE LYND ALE?

>> I THINK IT DOES.

I THOUGHT FOR MONTHS THAT HE WAS GOING TO WIN THE NOMINATION AT THIS POINT.

AND I THINK TRUMP'S -- HE SORT OF HAD TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

I THINK IT CARRIES HIM ACROSS AT THIS POINT.

AND EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THE ALLEGATIONS THAT CAME OUT IN THE LAST FEW DAYS ALL ABOUT ILLEGAL CAMPAIGNING ACTIVITY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT HIS BASE.

IF I HAVE TO GO ON A LIMB AT THIS POINT, AND LOOKING AT THE POLLS, I THINK HE PULLS IT OFF.

>> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

I GO BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS.

I'M LIKE, HE EFINITELY -- MIKE LINDELL DEFINITELY HAS THE GREATER NAME RECOGNITION, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT LISA DEMUTH WHO IS THE HOUSE SPEAKER, SHE HAS THAT ORGANIZATION, SHE'S WELL KNOWN, PEOPLE KNOW HER, I THINK SHE CAN TURN OUT THE VOTE.

AND YOU SAW THE POLLS.

IT'S -- SHE'S SHRUNK THE GAP BETWEEN THE TWO.

IT'S JUST GOING TO -- DOES HE HAVE THE TYPE OF ORGANIZATION THAT GET VOTERS OUT?

SO YOU CAN KNOW SOMEBODY, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND VOTE FOR THEM.

>> I WAS IN GREATER MINNESOTA EARLIER THIS WEEK TO GIVE A TALK AND FOR WHATEVER IT MEANS HERE, ONCE I GOT TO BE ABOUT 30 MILES OUTSIDE OF THE TWIN CITIES, ANY SIGNS FOR DEMUTH DISAPPEARED AND ALL'S I SAW WAS LINDELL SIGNS.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED THE POLLS, THE KSTP SURVEY POLLS, AND THERE ARE PRETTY HIGH UNDECIDES IN NOT ONLY THE CRAIG, FLANAGAN RACE BUT THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE AS WELL.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> MOST PEOPLE AREN'T UNDECIDED AT THIS POINT.

I MEAN, THE PRIMARY IS ALMOST HERE.

THEY MAY NOT WANT TO REVEAL THEIR REFERENCES TO THE POLLSTERS.

HOW THOSE UNDECIDED BREAK, WE DON'T KNOW.

USUALLY SOMETIMES THEY BREAK EVENLY, BUT IN A VERY CLOSE RACE AS WE THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE, IT COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN WHO'S GOING TO WIN.

>> Cathy: I WAS SUPPOSE POLLING IN A PRIMARY IS GOING TO BE HARD TOO?

>> I MEAN, THE KSTP POLL CAN GIVE US BROAD, ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE BIG ENOUGH NUMBERS TO REALLY SORT OF GET US DOWN TO HOW ARE YOUNGER PEOPLE VOTING.

THAT WOULD REQUIRE MUCH LARGER NUMBERS THAN THAT POLL REALLY HAS HERE.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK YOUR POINT IS ABSOLUTELY -- STILL COMING BACK TO IT HERE IS STILL CORRECT HERE.

IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT WE'RE NOT SEEING IS THE GROUND GAME.

WHAT WE'RE NOT SEEING AT THIS POINT IS WHO'S ACTUALLY OUT THERE, I DON'T KNOW, I WAS GOING TO SAY DOOR KNOCKING, I WAS GOING TO PHONE CALLING, SOCIAL MEDIAING, WHATEVER IT IS AT THIS POINT.

>> Cathy: YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF ADS, THOUGH.

>> Eric: ARE THEY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE AT SOME POINT.

>> I THINK MOST OF THE RESEARCH SHOWS THERE'S A SATURATION POINT.

BUT I MEAN, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD, LIKE, TO HAVE ADS, RIGHT?

LIKE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING, LIKE KENDALL QUALLS AND MANY OF THESE OTHERS, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE, AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE THESE ADS ESPECIALLY IN A STATE LIKE MINNESOTA, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW YOU ARE.

IT'S JUST A PRODUCT.

>> AND I THINK WHAT THE ADS ALSO DO IS TO REMIND PEOPLE, WHAT?

THERE'S AN ELECTION.

WE ALSO DON'T GENERALLY KNOW THAT UGUST PRIMARIES DON'T HAVE THE BEST TURNOUT.

AND MINNESOTA, MOST PEOPLE, THE SECOND WEEK OF AUGUST, ARE NOT EXACTLY THINKING ABOUT GETTING OUT AND VOTING AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW?

THIS IS THE LAST TWO WE WEEKS BEFORE THE STATE FAIR.

PEOPLE ARE OFF DOING WHATEVER THEY DO AT THIS POINT.

SO THE ADS DO HELP TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THERE'S AN ELECTION.

AND AGAIN YOUR POINT WELL TAKEN HERE IS THAT HERE'S VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY UNDECIDED ABOUT WHO THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR.

THEY MAY BE UNDECIDED ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE.

>> Eric: SOME OF THE POLLING TAKES NTO ACCOUNT, LEANERS, THEY'RE UNDECIDED BUT THEY'RE LEANING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

IS THAT HOW YOU PUSH PEOPLE TO MAKE A CHOICE HERE?

>> AND IT HAPPENED IN MICHIGAN, RIGHT, AND IN PRIMARIES.

SO MICHIGAN WAS OPEN PRIMARY.

OPEN PRIMARY HERE IN MINNESOTA.

SO I MEAN IF YOU'RE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AND YOU THINK OKAY, WELL, I KNOW THESE CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO WIN, HEY, I MIGHT STEP IN AND DECIDE TO VOTE ON THIS -- I MEAN, MOST RESEARCH SHOWS THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN, BUT THEY COULD, THOUGH, IF YOU THINK THIS RACE, YOU COULD REALLY MAKE MORE OF A DIFFERENCE IN THIS RACE.

>> Cathy: INTERESTING, OKAY.

SAY, GENTLEMEN, BEFORE WE GO, I LIKE TO TOSS IT TO MY COHOST WHO'S GOT A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT.

>> Eric: MY MOM TURNS 100 TOMORROW.

[ Applause ] >> OH, WOW!

>> Eric: AND SHE WILL BE ON HER CALL EVERY SATURDAY MORNING WITH FRIENDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON ZAMORA TALKING POLITICS AND PUBLIC POLICY.

>> Cathy: AND SHE LOVES YOU GUYS.

>> Eric: AND SHE'S A BIG FAN OF YOU GUYS, BY THE WAY.

SO, MOM, LOVE YOU, WE'LL SEE YOU TONIGHT LATER ON.

>> Cathy: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

>> WELL, LET'S HOPE YOU GET THOSE GENES!

>> I HOPE.

>> Cathy: THANKS, GENTLEMEN.